Forums · A couple of thoughts on the concept of time...
We all think that we know what time really is, and how it works... but do we? Why are some people able to see things that have happened in an earlier time... such as seeing an apparition dressed in period clothing from even hundreds of years ago? Is there a 'rip' in time, allowing us to peek through, and sometimes even travel via OBE to a different time period? Also, is it a 'time thing' that causes the odd events in places like the Bermuda triangle? (Interesting thought here... there are a number of these 'triangles' around the world where similar things happen. If you locate all of the triangles on a regular globe, and run a long knitting needle through the triangle, and directly through the very center of the globe, and push it out through the other side of the globe, it will come out in a place where there are pyramids... such as those built by the ancient Egyptians, the Mayans, etc.)
Now, back to the time thing.... perhaps everything that we have ever seen in our lives is all really happening at once.... and to consider this one, we have to think of time as being like a wagon wheel, with many spokes. We are at the center, and can look down any spoke, and see what is happening at that moment. But, all around the rim of the wheel, all things that have happened, or are happening, or will happen in the future, are all taking place right now as I type this. But, our finite minds can only 'look down one spoke at a time', and so we must visit the 'other times' via dreams, OBE's, etc. Is this what people are referring to as a 'time warp'? Beats me!
What do you all think?
azspirit
[ June 15, 2002: Message edited by: azspirit ]
Now, back to the time thing.... perhaps everything that we have ever seen in our lives is all really happening at once.... and to consider this one, we have to think of time as being like a wagon wheel, with many spokes. We are at the center, and can look down any spoke, and see what is happening at that moment. But, all around the rim of the wheel, all things that have happened, or are happening, or will happen in the future, are all taking place right now as I type this. But, our finite minds can only 'look down one spoke at a time', and so we must visit the 'other times' via dreams, OBE's, etc. Is this what people are referring to as a 'time warp'? Beats me!
What do you all think?
azspirit
[ June 15, 2002: Message edited by: azspirit ]
Things you're saying remind me of when I was in the 5th grade and we had to read this book where a little girl had a mirror and inside the mirror, there was a different world of fun.
Yet as an adult, I read another book similar called "The Mirror" (author I don't remember) where this lady recieves a tall mirror and the book from chapter to chapter is about her being in the past and/or present, depending on the mirror... There is a really strange twist to the story and I may not be remembering it properly but it seems like the woman she is while in the passed is a different woman and she sees her own death or something...
I've always wondered if there was a way to peek in the future knowing that that is really what we're doing but I'm not sure it's possible... Since most times, even psychic events are confusing and we have difficulty clueing in that's what they were/are...
Who's to say where time begins or ends? I'm just going with the flow... I tell you the dreams I have of my girls when they are older, I hope are seeing the future, they are so beautifuL! :lol:
Yet as an adult, I read another book similar called "The Mirror" (author I don't remember) where this lady recieves a tall mirror and the book from chapter to chapter is about her being in the past and/or present, depending on the mirror... There is a really strange twist to the story and I may not be remembering it properly but it seems like the woman she is while in the passed is a different woman and she sees her own death or something...
I've always wondered if there was a way to peek in the future knowing that that is really what we're doing but I'm not sure it's possible... Since most times, even psychic events are confusing and we have difficulty clueing in that's what they were/are...
Who's to say where time begins or ends? I'm just going with the flow... I tell you the dreams I have of my girls when they are older, I hope are seeing the future, they are so beautifuL! :lol:
James and I have talked about this before (yes, we find really odd things to talk about :lol: ). I do think there are "rips in time", and this very well could account for some of the phenomenon regarding ghosts, etc... For example, remember the famous case back in the 1920's of the two American women visiting Versailles and witnessing scenes of 18th century court life? I think it is possible that some of the residual hauntings we hear about may have something to do with some bizarre quirk in the fabric of time. I believe even the US government did some studies on this, but I would have to check with James on that one, he is more into the obscure!
Nancy, that sounds like an interesting book. I love books like that. I have also wondered about mirrors, since they are often involved in some very strange occurances that have to do with entities entering or leaving our 'time'. If you happen to recall the author of this book, i would like to know who it was. =)
Carrie, Wasn't the Philadelphia Experiment one of the government's bits of research that went so wrong...? That was the one where a whole ship was caused to disappear, and when it came back, the men were kind of 'out of sync' with the ship's reappearance, and some of them were imbedded in the deck, etc.? It was quite awful, according to the accounts about it. That may have had something to do with our human misunderstanding of how time actually works in the grand scheme of things. Interesting... and I watch anything in the way of documentaries about it, but they never seem to have come up with much of anything new.
I would be interested in hearing whatever your husband might have about any of the 'time things. I love talking to people about things like this, that are such a mystery to mankind, and yet we know they really happened.
azspirit
Carrie, Wasn't the Philadelphia Experiment one of the government's bits of research that went so wrong...? That was the one where a whole ship was caused to disappear, and when it came back, the men were kind of 'out of sync' with the ship's reappearance, and some of them were imbedded in the deck, etc.? It was quite awful, according to the accounts about it. That may have had something to do with our human misunderstanding of how time actually works in the grand scheme of things. Interesting... and I watch anything in the way of documentaries about it, but they never seem to have come up with much of anything new.
I would be interested in hearing whatever your husband might have about any of the 'time things. I love talking to people about things like this, that are such a mystery to mankind, and yet we know they really happened.
azspirit
That's cool Carrie that you and James talk about stuff like that.
I think time is something that is 4th dimensional. I don't think we can really describe it in 3 dimensional terms.
I once had what I think is was an OBE. I was in energy form, in a motel room, people were entering the room, it was my parents, with my eldest sister over 40 years ago. I was just sitting there watching them enter the room when my mother looked right at me like she could sense me. It didn't feel like a dream. It felt real. I really think I was in another time.
Time is definitely related to gravity or effected by mass density. The US government did an experiment with two super accurate clocks. One stayed on earth while the other was brought up into the upper stratosphere and traveled at the same rate of the earths rotation for an hour or something like that. When they landed and compared the clocks they were off by a few seconds. Proving that time is not constant. So if gravity and mass effect time and it has been proven that mass is only a form of energy then energies effect time too. This would say that it is certainly possible that ananolies in time are not only possible but have to be.
Thought is energy, we are energy, so we should be able to effect time.
So about those lottery numbers...... Go back to last week and play those numbers that came out Saturday. =) =) I wish.
I think time is something that is 4th dimensional. I don't think we can really describe it in 3 dimensional terms.
I once had what I think is was an OBE. I was in energy form, in a motel room, people were entering the room, it was my parents, with my eldest sister over 40 years ago. I was just sitting there watching them enter the room when my mother looked right at me like she could sense me. It didn't feel like a dream. It felt real. I really think I was in another time.
Time is definitely related to gravity or effected by mass density. The US government did an experiment with two super accurate clocks. One stayed on earth while the other was brought up into the upper stratosphere and traveled at the same rate of the earths rotation for an hour or something like that. When they landed and compared the clocks they were off by a few seconds. Proving that time is not constant. So if gravity and mass effect time and it has been proven that mass is only a form of energy then energies effect time too. This would say that it is certainly possible that ananolies in time are not only possible but have to be.
Thought is energy, we are energy, so we should be able to effect time.
So about those lottery numbers...... Go back to last week and play those numbers that came out Saturday. =) =) I wish.
Nakis, I wish we could sit down and talk about this someday! I love this subject, and I think that we truly know far less about time than we think we do. I think that this subject probably holds the secrets necessary to allow intergalactic travel, so that we can live long enough to get where we are going, for heaven's sake (pun possible here)!!! LOL =D
azspirit
azspirit
Azspirit, I couldn't think of the name, but yes, it was the Philadelphia experiment. According to James, there is some controversy over whether or not it ever happened (as with so many weird things involving the government), but it is a fascinating topic.
Nakis, James and I were talking about that very same experiment after I re questioned him! Wouldn't ya love to have those lottery numbers! =D
Nakis, James and I were talking about that very same experiment after I re questioned him! Wouldn't ya love to have those lottery numbers! =D
I agree Az. Modern science says we can't go faster than light so we can never leave our solar system without it taking longer than a lifetime to reach another solar system. So the alteration of time, maybe not to travel backwards or forward in the time line but to slow or stop time can be the key to travelling great distances of space. Plus a really kickin propulsion system, which could be derived from gravity.
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One stayed on earth while the other was brought up into the upper stratosphere and traveled at the same rate of the earths rotation for an hour or something like that. When they landed and compared the clocks they were off by a few seconds. Proving that time is not constant.
How can we be sure it was time affected and not the equipment? Interesting experiment though.
I have thought that all time is happening at once when I was very young. I remember telling my father that where we stand a herd of buffalo could have just stampeded in that very spot a long time ago and yet it was happening at that very moment. I was probably around 5 years old. I wonder if we will every discover the truth?
As of late, I have been finding myself reading more and more into the field of quantum physics to try to keep up with some of the newest theories which may account for some of the unusual aspects of ghosts and the paranormal. I admit that Stephen Hawking's work is something that I often have to struggle to understand because of all the math he throws out to illustrate his points, but it is fascinating stuff never the less.
Professor Hawkings tries very hard to explain his theories on time/space in "A Short History of the Universe." In particular, he explains what he calls "the string theory." In its essence, we as human beings tend to view time in a very linear sense. It has a beginning, a middle, and an end...always moving along a straight line from beginning to end.
A lot of this is hard to explain without the use of a lot of variables and a slide rule, so I will try to paraphrase the concept as best I can. My apologies to Prof. Hawkings if I make a mess of it....take a piece of string and mark it every few inches with a pen. This string represents time itself as we know it. It has a beginning point and an ending point and lies is a straight line, just as we believe time itself does. The spaces in between the marks represents certain moments in time...days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries....whatever you care to view them as. It doesn't matter!
Now, Hawking's idea is that time doesn't run in a straight line like this piece of string laid out on the table. Rather, it curves, bends, and distorts because of all sorts of different factors. Gravitational fields, energy fluctuations, quantum anomalies....maybe even the Creator's pixie-ish sense of humor. So, take the string and just start bending it and curling it at random. Notice how the marks you placed on the string grow closer at certain points? The distance between your various time marks grows smaller, bringing the time periods in closer relationship to one another. If you take on the most radical ideas Hawkings has to offer, just take the string, cup it in your hands, and roll it up into a ball....there is still distance between some of the marks (space), but many times over, your various time period come in contact with other time periods....or they overlap, move under one another, or even parallel one another.
When you look at the mess of string in your hand, you still have the various time periods intact. Start at the beginning end of things and you can snake your way through the twists and turns, following the course of your symbollic "time." Just like our perception of a linear movement to it all, there is a beginning, a middle, and an end. Everything goes in order. But, the string is no longer in a straight line...thus, "non linear."
If the actual nature of time is like that piece of string, then there are places and moments in time where the whole thing overlaps itself....areas where time loops back to close the distance of space and bring two seperate points in history closer to one another.
Let's take the example of the two ladies who claimed to have travelled back in time to the court of Louis XIV at Marseilles (or was it Verseilles?) back in the '20s. Maybe for one brief moment in the grand scheme of things, all the conditions were right to move these two distinct moments in time so closely together that time/space overlapped itself, allowing the women to "take a trip and never leave the farm" to an era long since past. For just an instant as the string was balled up, two marks on it touched in one exact spot.....the distance of time/space was at absolute zero in this precise location.
We often hear the term "fabric of space" in science fiction novels. But, what if we took the string theory and wove our individual strings together into a piece of fabric? Every thread could possibly represent an alternate reality, the time line of a possible existence, or even that of another dimension beyond our experience. At certain points along our string, other threads would be overlapping and touching at very precise locations in space and time. If we take a leap of faith and apply that to our world, perhaps the string theory helps to explain those mysterious locations on earth (such as the Bermuda Triangle) where the "normal" perceived laws of time and space are seemingly defied over and over again.
Anyhow....on the matter of the Philadelphia Experiment (Project Rainbow), has anyone looked into its successor, Project Mauntauk and "The Mauntauk Chair"? The Waunaque, New Jersey Vortex or Camp Hero in southern New York state?
Professor Hawkings tries very hard to explain his theories on time/space in "A Short History of the Universe." In particular, he explains what he calls "the string theory." In its essence, we as human beings tend to view time in a very linear sense. It has a beginning, a middle, and an end...always moving along a straight line from beginning to end.
A lot of this is hard to explain without the use of a lot of variables and a slide rule, so I will try to paraphrase the concept as best I can. My apologies to Prof. Hawkings if I make a mess of it....take a piece of string and mark it every few inches with a pen. This string represents time itself as we know it. It has a beginning point and an ending point and lies is a straight line, just as we believe time itself does. The spaces in between the marks represents certain moments in time...days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries....whatever you care to view them as. It doesn't matter!
Now, Hawking's idea is that time doesn't run in a straight line like this piece of string laid out on the table. Rather, it curves, bends, and distorts because of all sorts of different factors. Gravitational fields, energy fluctuations, quantum anomalies....maybe even the Creator's pixie-ish sense of humor. So, take the string and just start bending it and curling it at random. Notice how the marks you placed on the string grow closer at certain points? The distance between your various time marks grows smaller, bringing the time periods in closer relationship to one another. If you take on the most radical ideas Hawkings has to offer, just take the string, cup it in your hands, and roll it up into a ball....there is still distance between some of the marks (space), but many times over, your various time period come in contact with other time periods....or they overlap, move under one another, or even parallel one another.
When you look at the mess of string in your hand, you still have the various time periods intact. Start at the beginning end of things and you can snake your way through the twists and turns, following the course of your symbollic "time." Just like our perception of a linear movement to it all, there is a beginning, a middle, and an end. Everything goes in order. But, the string is no longer in a straight line...thus, "non linear."
If the actual nature of time is like that piece of string, then there are places and moments in time where the whole thing overlaps itself....areas where time loops back to close the distance of space and bring two seperate points in history closer to one another.
Let's take the example of the two ladies who claimed to have travelled back in time to the court of Louis XIV at Marseilles (or was it Verseilles?) back in the '20s. Maybe for one brief moment in the grand scheme of things, all the conditions were right to move these two distinct moments in time so closely together that time/space overlapped itself, allowing the women to "take a trip and never leave the farm" to an era long since past. For just an instant as the string was balled up, two marks on it touched in one exact spot.....the distance of time/space was at absolute zero in this precise location.
We often hear the term "fabric of space" in science fiction novels. But, what if we took the string theory and wove our individual strings together into a piece of fabric? Every thread could possibly represent an alternate reality, the time line of a possible existence, or even that of another dimension beyond our experience. At certain points along our string, other threads would be overlapping and touching at very precise locations in space and time. If we take a leap of faith and apply that to our world, perhaps the string theory helps to explain those mysterious locations on earth (such as the Bermuda Triangle) where the "normal" perceived laws of time and space are seemingly defied over and over again.
Anyhow....on the matter of the Philadelphia Experiment (Project Rainbow), has anyone looked into its successor, Project Mauntauk and "The Mauntauk Chair"? The Waunaque, New Jersey Vortex or Camp Hero in southern New York state?