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Did anyone find out what the sentencing was on the mauling case that has been in the news?
This is the one where this woman and man had two (not sure if one or two) dogs that got away from the lady and attacked a woman who lived in the same apartment complex. The dogs mortally wounded her and she was able to get back to her apartment where she died. She was found by her life partner some time later.
The original sentence I believe was for murder (2nd degree??) but was overturned. I caught part of the re-trail on tv while gettin my haircut but I didn't hear the sentencing. They were supposed to get involuntary manslaughter convictions.
What does everyone think about this case?
This couples dog or dogs got away from them and mauled a woman so bad that she died shortly after from the wounds.
Do you agree that the murder conviction should have been turned over?
This is the one where this woman and man had two (not sure if one or two) dogs that got away from the lady and attacked a woman who lived in the same apartment complex. The dogs mortally wounded her and she was able to get back to her apartment where she died. She was found by her life partner some time later.
The original sentence I believe was for murder (2nd degree??) but was overturned. I caught part of the re-trail on tv while gettin my haircut but I didn't hear the sentencing. They were supposed to get involuntary manslaughter convictions.
What does everyone think about this case?
This couples dog or dogs got away from them and mauled a woman so bad that she died shortly after from the wounds.
Do you agree that the murder conviction should have been turned over?
Nakis, It just makes me so mad that the conviction was overturned. I think she deserved the murder conviction. The dog's were unleashed, there had been numerous complaints from other residents of the apartment complex, and they had been warned by a veterinarian that the dogs were too dangerous to live in a populated area. The victim didn't make it back to her apt. The dogs literally ripped her throat out. It was a completely unprovoked attack and to my mind the defendant was well aware of how dangerous the dogs were and just didn't care. I think it's time for people to get the message that they will be held accountable for what their dogs do. It's so easy to walk a dog in a safe manner. People who refuse to take safety measures is a tragedy waiting to happen and it's time they were punished for it. This was not an accident as the defense claimed. The defense say that they didn't want this to happen, well they didn't do anything to prevent it from happening and they had plenty of warning regarding the nature of their dogs.
Whew!!Can you tell I feel strongly about this? =D
Here's an article for you:Murder Conviction Overturned[/URL]
Renee
People like Knoller remind me of the teenagers(and adults) who think it's a great power trip to get into their big old trucks and tailgate other cars or force them of the road (we've all seen them). Sure they know that some one could get hurt of killed but they have no real concept of what that means, they're just enjoying the power and have no understanding of consequences their actions could cause. It's the same thing with dogs like this. People buy them because they enjoy having such a powerfull and potentially aggressive animal but they neglect to treat that animal with the respect it's size and aggression deserves. I'm not say that it's wrong to have a breed such as this but it is wrong to have such an animal and not take common sense steps to avoid such a tragedy. The dogs just did what was in their nature to do, it was up to the human in charge to insure that safety precautions were taken. Ok, I'm getting of my soap box now.
[ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: Renee ]
Whew!!Can you tell I feel strongly about this? =D
Here's an article for you:Murder Conviction Overturned[/URL]
Renee
People like Knoller remind me of the teenagers(and adults) who think it's a great power trip to get into their big old trucks and tailgate other cars or force them of the road (we've all seen them). Sure they know that some one could get hurt of killed but they have no real concept of what that means, they're just enjoying the power and have no understanding of consequences their actions could cause. It's the same thing with dogs like this. People buy them because they enjoy having such a powerfull and potentially aggressive animal but they neglect to treat that animal with the respect it's size and aggression deserves. I'm not say that it's wrong to have a breed such as this but it is wrong to have such an animal and not take common sense steps to avoid such a tragedy. The dogs just did what was in their nature to do, it was up to the human in charge to insure that safety precautions were taken. Ok, I'm getting of my soap box now.
[ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: Renee ]
I've got to agree with Renee on this one. I am a dog lover, this is the first time in my life I've been without one; but, there are certain types of dogs you don't keep in an urban apartment building if you've got a lick of sense! I will be the first to admit, Rottweilers scare me. While we were looking at houses a few years ago, I really thought one was going to take my hand off. James was reaching in the Jeep for a pistol (carry permit) just as the realtor was able to distract it -- it was a close call. I've got a friend that breeds them, and I've always been uncomfortable with her having them around her baby. They are magnificent animals, but they were not intended as what most of us think of as "pets." If someone lives out in the country and wants a good dog for protection, I'm sure they are ideal; but, not in a city apartment! I think it was pure negligence and stupidity on this woman's part to keep an animal like that in that environment, and the ruling should never have been overturned! >:-(
I agree with both of you on the people need to be smarter about what dogs they get and how to take care of them.
You have to think about what it took for it to happen. Carelessness and neglect on the owners part makes it seem like it's not so bad. But when you look at what the result was. This woman died horribly and in such fear and suffering. It's inexcusable regardless. How do you pay back a life? The two defendents didn't look like they were at all sorry or feeling culpable.
When I was talking to the barber while watching this we talked about how people need to be responsible not only for picking the right dog for where they live and their life circumstances, but also to properly train their dogs to be obedient for everyone's sake. How many dog's have died because they haven't been trained enough to obey commands and not run into roads?
In my last place, one of the tenants liked Husky's. She liked animals but she only liked to do the minimum to take care of them. She rarely spent time with her dog. One day her boyfriend took the dog for a walk and he got off the leash. He immediately bolted across a busy road and was hit by a car. Died instantly thank goodness.
So what did she do? She got two more Husky's. She keeps them most of the time in 5x12 cage. I've never seen her take them for a walk. They're both great dogs. If she wasn't so mentally unstable (and if anything happened to the dogs while they were with me I know she would sue me) I would have loved to take them on a hike with me. I know they would have loved it. She's not a very nice person. It pains me to know they are not being taken care of like they should.
That's why when I had that apartment I wouldn't get a dog because I wouldn't be able to take care of it as good as I feel I should in that situation.
You have to think about what it took for it to happen. Carelessness and neglect on the owners part makes it seem like it's not so bad. But when you look at what the result was. This woman died horribly and in such fear and suffering. It's inexcusable regardless. How do you pay back a life? The two defendents didn't look like they were at all sorry or feeling culpable.
When I was talking to the barber while watching this we talked about how people need to be responsible not only for picking the right dog for where they live and their life circumstances, but also to properly train their dogs to be obedient for everyone's sake. How many dog's have died because they haven't been trained enough to obey commands and not run into roads?
In my last place, one of the tenants liked Husky's. She liked animals but she only liked to do the minimum to take care of them. She rarely spent time with her dog. One day her boyfriend took the dog for a walk and he got off the leash. He immediately bolted across a busy road and was hit by a car. Died instantly thank goodness.
So what did she do? She got two more Husky's. She keeps them most of the time in 5x12 cage. I've never seen her take them for a walk. They're both great dogs. If she wasn't so mentally unstable (and if anything happened to the dogs while they were with me I know she would sue me) I would have loved to take them on a hike with me. I know they would have loved it. She's not a very nice person. It pains me to know they are not being taken care of like they should.
That's why when I had that apartment I wouldn't get a dog because I wouldn't be able to take care of it as good as I feel I should in that situation.
You'll make an excellent furkid papa, Nakis. ;-)
I agree with everyone here about this case. I can't believe what's going on in court with this.
The judge said:
Well, duh! Of course she didn't KNOW what day it would happen, but just knowing your dogs are dangerous is enough!!!
There is a little twist on the dogs. These are not normal dogs. Taking from memory: Both defendants are lawyers. They previously defended and lost a case for some guy (whom they later adopted!?) who is now in prison. So, they're taking care of his dogs for him.
These dogs come from the Canary Islands - it's a rare breed and not very well known here at all. From what I understand, these type of dogs are raised to be attack dogs - used for fighting, guarding drug houses, etc. They are not what you'd call pet material, in my estimation - not in the city; not on the farm.
Kell
[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: KellKell ]
I agree with everyone here about this case. I can't believe what's going on in court with this.
The judge said:
quote:
"I cannot say as a matter of law that she subjectively knew on Jan. 26 that her conduct would cause death," Warren said.
Well, duh! Of course she didn't KNOW what day it would happen, but just knowing your dogs are dangerous is enough!!!
There is a little twist on the dogs. These are not normal dogs. Taking from memory: Both defendants are lawyers. They previously defended and lost a case for some guy (whom they later adopted!?) who is now in prison. So, they're taking care of his dogs for him.
These dogs come from the Canary Islands - it's a rare breed and not very well known here at all. From what I understand, these type of dogs are raised to be attack dogs - used for fighting, guarding drug houses, etc. They are not what you'd call pet material, in my estimation - not in the city; not on the farm.
Kell
[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: KellKell ]
The dogs were in fact Presa(s) and they are from South America, Spanish Bulldogs. They are guard dogs but their disposition, like any other dog is what the breeder intends and what the owner trains. From what I heard on the news, the family of the victim is filling against the landlord of the building as well because there were not suppose to be dogs allowed living there... What's even more maddening is that this young woman who was mauled to death had complained to the landlord about the "attitude" these dogs and the owners had.
A dog should be properly trained and wether it's a Rottie or any other breed, if not taken the time with or trained in the least bit, they have potential to harm people.
It's not bad dogs, the breed issue shouldn't even be considered in this case or any other case, the dogs should be leashed securely, owners need to be in control. Heck even the taco bell dog could do enough damage to a child if not trained well and kept on leash.
I believe, BAD OWNERS, not BAD DOGS... My aunt has had Rotties for as long as I can remember and has never had a problem with any of her dogs, they are all fantastic, goofy, happy dogs and were great with me as a child and are great with my kids. Another thing that helps is to have people who supervise!
BlaBlaBlaBla, I could go on about this for hours, these owners need to be held accountable, the landlord as well, etc. This woman died because they were stupid, and now, her awful death, leaves a gaping hole in many people's hearts!
It's maddening!
A dog should be properly trained and wether it's a Rottie or any other breed, if not taken the time with or trained in the least bit, they have potential to harm people.
It's not bad dogs, the breed issue shouldn't even be considered in this case or any other case, the dogs should be leashed securely, owners need to be in control. Heck even the taco bell dog could do enough damage to a child if not trained well and kept on leash.
I believe, BAD OWNERS, not BAD DOGS... My aunt has had Rotties for as long as I can remember and has never had a problem with any of her dogs, they are all fantastic, goofy, happy dogs and were great with me as a child and are great with my kids. Another thing that helps is to have people who supervise!
BlaBlaBlaBla, I could go on about this for hours, these owners need to be held accountable, the landlord as well, etc. This woman died because they were stupid, and now, her awful death, leaves a gaping hole in many people's hearts!
It's maddening!
You are so right, MamaBear!!! It is not BAD DOGS!! It has everything to do with BAD OWNERS!!! I just hate to see people like this own an animal of any kind.
You also made some good points, Nakis!!
People need to realize tha when you decide to own an animal. they all came from ancestors who were wild before they were domesticated. There are still 'wild ways' built into their responses to their environment. It is the owners RESPONSIBILITY to become a laison between their animal and humans. That includes training, and making sure that you will be able to control/correct an animal when it is in the presence of other humans, and other animals, too. This mauling should NEVER have happened!!! Those owners made some very bad choices, and I think that they deserve punishment for the fatal error of their ways. It wasn't the dogs' fault. They probably thought that they were supposed to get rid of this 'intruder' into what they thought was 'their' space.
People can be so stupid sometimes.....
You also made some good points, Nakis!!
People need to realize tha when you decide to own an animal. they all came from ancestors who were wild before they were domesticated. There are still 'wild ways' built into their responses to their environment. It is the owners RESPONSIBILITY to become a laison between their animal and humans. That includes training, and making sure that you will be able to control/correct an animal when it is in the presence of other humans, and other animals, too. This mauling should NEVER have happened!!! Those owners made some very bad choices, and I think that they deserve punishment for the fatal error of their ways. It wasn't the dogs' fault. They probably thought that they were supposed to get rid of this 'intruder' into what they thought was 'their' space.
People can be so stupid sometimes.....
And that's one of the messed up things. The dogs get put down. Some animals are viscious and may need to be put down but some are really good dogs that are acting one instinct or what they know.
A friend of mine had to have her dog put down because it bit someone. The guy the dog bit was in her yard messing with the dog. He filed a complaint and took it to court and becuase the dog bit him the court ordered him put down. I only met the dog a couple of times but it seemed like a good dog. He was nice to me. Of course I was nice and respectful to him too.
A friend of mine had to have her dog put down because it bit someone. The guy the dog bit was in her yard messing with the dog. He filed a complaint and took it to court and becuase the dog bit him the court ordered him put down. I only met the dog a couple of times but it seemed like a good dog. He was nice to me. Of course I was nice and respectful to him too.