Just curious if anyone has heard anymore updates on the JonBenet murder? I had kept up with it for a while, but haven't heard anything recently.

Don't you find it strange that the killer left a ransom note, but then murdered the child anyway?? I also thought it strange that the coroner found evidence of her having eaten pineapple, but Pat Ramsey denied JonBenet having any??

Any thoughts?

I've often wondered what REALLY happened there. I haven't heard anything in ages. Heck, I hadn't even heard about the pineapple thing.
I think the way her father had led the police around the house to search for her, but missed the room she was in the 1st time through the house, made him look guilty.
We'll probably never Know the truth onthis one.

I haven't heard any recent updates... it seems to be at a major stand still. I find A LOT of things fishy about this case...

Here's a great summary of events, theories, etc. It was last updated Feb. 2001 and they said they'd update as the case warranted. I have a feeling there is nothing new to report.

http://crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm[/URL]

Kell

Didn't the parents come under suspicion at one point? I've seen doco's about this particular murder case and I still wonder how someone could hurt a little girl. It's beyond me.
I do think that she must have undergone a lot of stress in her short life, due to the competitions etc and from what I can recall, her mother was quite competitive.
I hope they resolve this. No crime should go unsolved and the murderer shouldn't go free.
I think the ransom note was sloppy work at trying to cover up the fact that the murderer was nearer than anyone really wanted to believe.
Unfortunately until they find out who did it, if they ever do, the truth will remain between the criminal and god. You can't shake that guilt and every time it is brought up on the news, they must surely have some bad feelings and experience some emotion. It was a planned murder, it wasn't random.

Thanks for the link Kell

I find so much incriminating evidence when reading about this case in regards to her parents and possibly her brother Burke. I'm sure no authority, but I just cannot believe that this little girl was found murdered in her own home and yet they cannot find the killer. I also have never read where they took any kind of tissue samples from the body to match with any suspects.

Another odd thing was that after the 911 call (a little after 5:45 a.m.)and the police arrived, Patsy Ramsey was in full make-up and yet dressed in the same outfit she had worn the night before. It makes me so mad that whoever murdered that little girl is still free and may never get caught

I've always thought the parents have banded together to protect someone; however, I don't think they would have protected each other - I've always though the only murderer that a parent would protect this strongly would be their other child.

Funny you should say that Connie because I was just reading a few things about her brother Burke. Below I have printed some information from the Crime Magazine link on this subject....

"The Ramseys had always maintained that Burke Ramsey slept through the entire grisly episode, until John Ramsey and Fleet White awakened him, several hours after the police arrived at the Ramsey residence. That was why the police allowed Burke to be taken away from the Ramsey house – to Fleet White’s house – in mid-morning, after being "awakened." It’s been reported that Burke walked past all the police, and assembled people, without asking what was going on. As he left, he took with him one of his Christmas presents, a Nintendo game. On the way to Fleet White's house, Burke talked about his Nintendo game.

However, when Patsy Ramsey called 911 at 5:51 a.m., Dec. 26, 1996, she failed to hang the phone up immediately.

The tape of that call had been sent to a California sound laboratory for enhancement. Patsy Ramsey is said to be heard saying, "Help me, Jesus, help me, Jesus." Then she fumbled with the phone, trying to hang it up.

Prior to the phone being hung up, a voice in the background, described as Burke Ramsey's, is said to be heard, followed by John Ramsey saying, "We weren’t speaking to you."

Burke Ramsey: "But what did you find?"

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Also another thing they mentioned in this article was that physical evidence showed that JonBenet's body had been drug for some distance. It was then pointed out that John or Patsy Ramsey could have easily lifted her 45 pound body.

I think it is hard to imagine her brother doing such a thing, but once you put things together it would make a lot of sense.

Such a horrible case. I've thought the same thing about the parents' protecting the other child. There are so many indicators that point in that direction. It is hard to fathom, or even contemplate one child doing that to another.
I don't think the parents did it, but I do think they know more than they are telling.
If that is the case, I can't imagine the grief and horror they will live the rest of their years in. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the boy in later years. Such a tragedy.

If and only if (as we still don't know the answers) the brother did it, then the parents will definitely be carrying around a burdenous lump around their necks for the rest of their lives. The guilt will be enormous.
There could have been a lot of reasons for the boy to kill his sister. A lot of that being to do with all the attention she received, jealousy towards her etc.
If he killed his sister, (if of course), it would be better for his parents' to come clean. Mind you now, they would be guilty of aiding and abetting. But still, if someone in my family killed someone outside the family and it was an accident, but the cops wouldn't believe that, yes I would protect them. If it was a murder within the family, I would be honest with the police as that is turning against your own blood by not speaking up. If it was an accidental murder (which isn't the case here), regarding the laws etc it might be wiser to keep ones mouth shut.
Either way, if someone in my family had committed cold blooded murder, I couldn't hide them from receiving punishment for that.
Some people make mistakes, but others know exactly what they are doing and then it is no mistake.

This case never did hang together very well in my mind. If someone had come from outside, with plans to harm JonBenet on his mind when he supposedly 'climbed through the basement window', it just seems to me that he would have had the ransom note already written, and he would have taken her elsewhere to do his dirty deeds. It is strange that 'he' could hang out in the house so long, and have knowledge of where to find paper and a writing instrument, and would sit there and compose the ransom note at the site, as if it was a kidknapping, but then kill JonBenet and leave her there??? Also, that door to the little room in the basement seemed to be difficult to open, as I recall, to someone who was involved in the investigation, and they went on without entering that room... am I remembering this right?? If that door gave so much trouble, would Burke have been able to open it without help from his parents??? Well, I really don't think that Patsy or John slept much that night. I think Burke did it, and something woke them, and they spent the rest of the night doing things to cover up what had happened. I am thinking that they may have even given Burke a sedative before the police arrived, and of course, nothing like that was ever checked. Why wouldn't he ask questions, being awakened and whisked off to an adult friend's house? That screams that something isn't right at all!!!!! I think he was terribly jealous of his sister, and things probably happened over Christmas that made him finally unable to control his anger with her. It would be interesting to know what each child got for Christmas, and also, which of them got the most attention, etc. I also was dumbfounded that the police were seemingly unable to force the Ramsey's to be questioned individually, instead of always together, so each would know what the other said, and they could keep their stories straight. I am so sickened with the way money can buy people their freedom, no matter how heinous the crime! Look at the OJ Simpson case..... I think nearly everyone knew that OJ was guilty, but look how he is still running free.
It is all just too ugly for words.

Why couldn't this have been an accident? Many an unsupervised child has been accidentally hung or shot by kids pretending. He was only 9 at the time and they both could have been acting out something they'd seen the adults do (kinky, granted, but possible). Mom and Dad now not only have to protect their son but they also have to protect their kinky little secrets.

Did the police investigators even get to question Burke that morning, or was he simply whisked away? Like "son, did you see or hear anything during the night?" Why was that never done!?

Now - if Burke did (all of) it - how did the semen get on JonBenet? I don't think 9 y/o boys are capable.... if you know what I mean. In fact, I don't think that DNA matched anyone in the family, so they tell us.

argh! This case has so many facets!

No the police did not question Burke that morning because Patsy and John told them he had slept through the whole epidode and so he was simply allowed to leave the scene that morning. Oddly, he just walked through the crowd of people, not looking around or asking any questions..strange? His Nintendo game was the only thing he talked about on the way to Fleet White's house

I know there are murders everyday, but this particular case has haunted me for some reason.

I'm not sure about the semen in regards to Burke, but I did read that several experts agreed that JonBenet had been sexually assaulted more than once which breaks my heart as well! I'm wondering if she threatened to tell and that is what brought on the murder that night

We saw a show last night on the CourtTV channel that kind of changed our minds about the JonBenet Ramsey case. We have always felt it was her parents. Now, I am not so sure. A very well known, and very successful, homicide investigator had been asked by Boulder Police to investigate this case just 3 months after the murder... his name is Lou Smit. Well, his findings were put alot of things in perspective. First, that there was foreign DNA under JonBenet's fingernails, and also in her panties, and it did not match any of the family members. Pictures also showed that someone could have come onto the property via sidewalks that were free of snow at the time the police pictures were taken. There was also foliage sandwiched under the grate outside the basement window in the police pictures. Much of this has never been publicized, at least not to any great degree. Also, the blow to the head was not the cause of death... which the coroner finally admitted... as there was not enough of a bleed in the skull for it to have happened prior to the bruises from the garrot, and the fingernail marks of her fighting to get the garrot off her neck. Also, pictures of JonBenet's bed showed no signs of a struggle, or anyone trying to change the bed for any reason, as might have happened if she had wet the bed.
Smit assumed that there was indeed an intruder, who may have already been in the house when the family came home that night (and may have written the note ahead of time?)... possibly hiding under a bed. (He found a strangely disturbed bed ruffle in police pictures, but the police evidently didn't notice it, or take a look at the carpet under the bed, etc., for marks or other evidence.) The police had also found a pile of rope (and photographed it) in the bedroom that was never explained. Smit stated he believed that the intruder possibly waited for all of them to go to bed, went to JonBenet and silenced her with the stun gun (she had marks on her back and her face), and carried her down the winding staircase. There were bits of garland in her hair that matched the garland on the staircase handrail.
The murderer then took her to the basement, fashioned the garrot from the brush handle found with other items in a paint tray on the floor of the basement. She must have been awakening from the stun gun effect, so he then garroted her, and sexually molested her (without penetration). The murderer must have then smashed her skull shortly after the garroting, possibly to be kill her, or just make certain she was dead. The blanket she was wrapped in had a piece of hair that also did not match anyone else in the family, although the hair may have been from other visitors to the house. Investigator Smit, an average sized man, showed just how easy it would have been for an intruder to have come in through the basement window. He did it himself, with no problem at all. Also, police seemed to have overlooked a skidmark below the window, as if someone's dark shoe heel had slid down the wall between the window and the floor.
There was also a suitcase there under the window, with traces of hair and fiber inside it that matched JonBenet's hair and the clothing she was wearing when she died. Perhaps he was planning to take her out the window in the suitcase? Maybe she wouldn't fit in the suitcase, or my thought was that the suitcase wouldn't fit through the window and up through the grate?? Maybe he was originally planning to actually take her out alive, but was stopped by problems with the suitcase? At this point he had already written the note, but things didn't go as he planned them. Police had photographed the suitcase, but never came up with anything anything much more about it.
Anyway, the end result here was that this investigator's findings were basically thrown out by the Boulder Police, because they would have to change the statements that they had made to the press since the beginning that they believed the Ramseys were involved. Somehow, the courts got involved here, and they were going to ban this evidence from a Grand Jury hearing, and then later, the courts even sought to confiscate and destroy all records and reports that Smit had created. Thankfully, he was able to stop this process. (Smit had actually been driven to resign from the case just months after his investigation, due to the opposition he was encountering from the Boulder Police, who would not even consider his evidence, even though no one had solid proof that the Ramseys actually committed the crime.) Smit continues to do all he can to try to solve this case on his own. I think we have a police department that cannot/will not admit that they might have been wrong. I am finding myself feeling sorry for the Ramseys in ways I never have before. I really don't think they are guilty.

How infuriating! That is certainly interesting evidence that would have helped clear the reputations of the Ramsey's. I had heard from the start that Boulder PD had botched the case, but I never knew it was to that extent! I don't see how anyone could live with themselves knowing they had done that to another human being, especially ones who had suffered such a devastating loss as that family had. Thanks for the eye opening information, Mare!

Here is more information about Lou Smit, and even a copy of his letter when he resigned from the JonBenet case.

Court TV-JonBenet Ramsey Case Investigation[/URL]

In this link, it appears that the Boulder Police Department is still sidestepping some of the most important evidence....
Jon Benet Ramsey Case News... August 2002[/URL]

I cannot believe that the Coroner didn't initially tie those marks on her face and back to a stun gun. The photos were shown on the documentary, and it was pretty plain that these marks were burns left from a stun gun, and NOT abrasions, as the coroner said originally. He has since changed his ruling, and admits to the marks being those that could most likely be a stun gun.

I can't believe all of the horrible things that this family has been through, and the Boulder Police are still holding onto their orininal botched results.

GRRRRR!!!

Oh does this make me mad!! What is wrong with these police departments and totally screwing up crime scenes Thanks for the new info Mare. It really makes you think doesn't it.

Remember these same kinds of botched up forensics came up at the O.J. trial as well. I know if one of my loved ones was....God forbid, murdered, I would want the best of the best there AND how much worse it would be to have all these mistakes made, making finding the killer even harder!

Given the sensitive nature of forensics, this type of work should allow for miniscule to no mistakes to be made at all. It makes me wonder sometimes how some people hold onto their jobs. Geez, I've worked for companies whose standards were 10 times higher than those of some of these police investigatiors. Okay speech over

I just find it so hard to believe that these 'supposed' trained officers from the Boulder Police Department could screw things up so bad, by first passing out premature judgements to the media, and then not having the nards to admit that they screwed up. I don't blame Smit for leaving the case. Here we are, 6 years later, it still isn't solved!!!

This is indeed as bad as the OJ case.... whoever killed JonBenet is still free, too! Gosh, she would have been a little preteen by now, and what a little beauty she would be!! Sad...