I found a post on the Ghoststudy forum today where a member shared his opinion on what happens when a person commits suicide that I found very interesting. He was talking about that it is OK to investigate a site where the suicide occurred, however he warned that you should not pursue the investigation at the gravesite of the suicide victim. He said that can lead to possession or the spirit following you home.

Short version is:

The suicide victim's spirit stays with the body. The spirit's soul cannot release and experiences the pain of decomposition and if cremated, the burning sensation. They are "still alive" and are aware of all that is going on and any physical pain associated with death up to and including being buried and more. He said that when (Sorry for being so graphic) the body has decomposed to the point where the body is only a skeleton the spirit can "move" again. Does anyone have any insight on this?


Thanks,

Lane

[ March 26, 2004, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: poveglia99 ]

Sylvia Brown, a renowned psychic, says that a person who takes their life is sent immediatly back into utero. She said that their soul goes right back the womb to be born again into a new life to make it right this next time. I would hate to think that a troubled soul would be ****ed forever or have to go through such horrible things.

Seems a little extreme. Simply put, nobody knows for sure really, do they (proof)? I honestly don't feel that's correct. If it is, what happens to murderers? Suicides are miserable & unhappy to begin with & did not complete classes, so to speak. I would lean more toward Sylvias' idea or a more purgatory type of explanation myself. IMHO.

I've heard about near death experiences with suicides that have different stories. Some say they experienced the pain and addictions they were in intensified and unrelenting, wandering in different hells of their own pain. Others had very good experiences, recieved understanding and reviews of life and were pushed back to earth to finish their work.

Personally I feel like there is many levels somewhere between the living and the spirit moving on to "heaven".

It's still a jumbled mess to me but I know that there are astral shells like a zombie body that remains between worlds when the body has died and the spirit moved on, while some spirits can remain without "going to the light" just yet.

I'm also pretty sure that without the buffer of the body, there is this unrelenting intensification of addictions and pain but I have no idea what kind of level of a spirits transition that is. It seems to be just some cases but also something like the physiology of the matter.

Nobody is limited to the graveyard, they can frequent anywhere they have been or even be attracted to places they haven't. Any burning to ash is pretty much complete and dispelling.

I'm just talking from my own notions but I think those that are unable to transend "into the light" after commiting suicide are experiencing a strange realm of well, robbery. The body was cut away before that life was truely over so perhaps for a while it's like they are still alive and that's all that was realy desired, to just take away the pain, not the life.

Hope you don't mind my opinion. I think it's a matter of condition and case. You shouldn't go where you're not invited.

I too have read Sylvia's teachings on this. As greenfaeriequeen has mentioned suicides usualy do go back in utero to re-live the same thing that caused them to take this drastic step so they can learn from it. Sylvia and others I have read have mentioned that some suicides remain and are cocooned in a healing area. These are the poor souls that are/were with poor mental health and/or certain people that underwent extreme peril that caused a mental breakdown and the resulting action taken (especially children).

Certainly we do not know for certain but there is so much in life that we do not for certain isn't there? I too will lean towards the words of those that truly have a gift that was given to them by God as they have come closest to the truth. For me they are like scientist who have had opportunity or have gained knowledge of things in which I will never see. Like molecules I have been told they are all around me yet have never seen them (text books don't count). But I believe they exist from those that have. Silly example I know.

I believe those that are evil and do harm to others especially children, elderly and animals (who are the weakest) will face pain greater than they can imagine. Suicides have harmed themselves only (physcially speaking) so most must come back and learn by facing the same challenges again. I don't believe they are bound to the body until it decomposes. The body is only a shell, a vehicle that our spirit uses while here.

I pray for those I have lost (& all others) whom lost their way and had taken this path. I hope I did not offend anyone by stating my opinion.

Cat =)

I have to agree Hallow...sounds a little extreme. I have read the Slyvia Brown book explaining what happens with suicides and I have to say, I lean more towards that then anything else.

I have unfortunatley had the experience of someone in my immediate family comitting suicide (2 years ago this April). The days that followed us getting the terrible news were really quite strange. I remember waking up at 4:00 in the morning and not being able to go back to sleep...and just laying there wanting to cry...I couldn't though...a feeling of relief just came swarming over me. And the word relief kept repeating itself in my head over and over. Sounds weird I know, but I just felt like he (my brother) was letting me know that he was ok and finally just happy to be done with it all. (The poor guy had been through the ringer)

Now it could just be me, wanting to believe that that was the case, but I honestly don't think that he was suffering somewhere in the afterlife because of what he did.

I have thought about the Sylvia Brown theory and how this could tie into everything. And let me just say that my other brother and his wife learned that they concieved on the night of my brother's passing, after they had been trying for a very long time. So it did cross my mind that maybe they had a little help.

[ March 30, 2004, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Trinity ]

Hi Trin

Sorry about the loss of your brother (((Hugs))). The swarming of relief you felt was quite likely a message being sent. I have lost others this way (brother-in-law & couple of friends) and I don't believe they are out there suffering in the afterlife either. They are likely already back here starting over again. As mentioned in my previous post I lean towards Sylvia's teaching, they make so much sense. The pain and suffering is reserved for the dark souls, those that molest, rape, murder etc.

Sounds like your other brother and his wife did have a little help.

Cat =)

In my work as a Medium I have come across two people who committed suicide. In both cases the person remained 'earthbound' because the moment they left their bodies they realized that it was a mistake, and didn't know how to rectify their situation. Yes, while they are stuck here they are trapped in their fear and emotional pain. Eventually they will be able to move on either by coming across someone like myself (who can help them transition) or else by growing enough beyond their fears to make their own transition. In the end, they will all eventually make there way to where they belong on the higher side.

This is just my opinion, but I believe that a lot depends on the circumstances surrounding the person's suicide. For instance, I do think some have regrets and remain earthbound. However, as Trinity said of her brother, some people have been through such awful things on this plane of existance that it is a relief for them and their spirits are able to move on.

I've lived in three houses that I considered to be haunted -- others with paranormal occurances periodically. Of those three houses, one was severely haunted -- in the backyard, a man years earlier had committed suicide. We had a lot of what could be described as poltergeist activity as well as "normal" haunting activity. It was absolutely the most active place I've ever seen. The ghost was not frightening to the family members who were used to the goings on, but he alarmed more than a few visitors. I've always felt there were multiple entities in that particular house. The huge oak tree in the backyard was where the suicide victim hung himself -- my little dog would dance around that tree playfully, just like she was interacting with a person who was playing with her. There was also a feeling of discomfort and sadness in that area. It was an interesting house, and I always hoped that the poor soul trapped there eventually finds peace.

Thanks for responding Snoopy. =)

I don't think that anyone's view here so far is wrong. We have freedom of choice. Our perceptions of reality are determined by our beliefs.
If a person who commits suicide believes that they are tied to their body then sure, they will be. Until they learn better.
In my experiences people only see what they want to see. When someone commits suicide they are taking action on on their views. Eventually they will learn what they need to move on. Some will realize right away and move on. I tend to agree that the suffering they encounter is of their own creation. Maybe for some that suffering is in the form of staying with their old body. I've met people who've stayed around for all kinds of reasons.

I believe what Sylvia Browne meant about going right back in-utero meant that they don't spend anytime around in the afterlife. They can hang around on this plane until they are ready to leave but they will go back into physical life as soon as they make the transition from this plane.

Thanks Cat! (((Hugz))) I have always felt that that was a message from my brother because it was something that I felt I was being made to feel. It wasn't what I myself was truly feeling at the time.

I agree Carrie, I do think what happens to a soul could depend on the circumstances surrounding the suicide. Well, that's what I want to believe anyway...it would be hard for me to believe anything else.

Carrie, that house that you lived in sounds like it was VERY active. I can't imagine what that must have been like the first time you saw your dog playing around the tree. Did you know about the suicide moving into the house? Or was it something that you found out about after having some experiences there and doing some research?

I have another quick question....this just out of curiosity of what others think. If a suicide does remain earth bound...do you think that they are bound to the area that it took place?

Trin, we didn't find out about the suicide until we had been in the house for some time and kept experiencing some really weird events. In this particular case, our house had been the home of the subdivision's developer. It was a very attractive 1950's story and a half on approximately an acre. The developer and his partner ended up going bankrupt. The partner was so distraught he hung himself in the backyard. The developer also had a son who tragically was killed in a motorcycle accident in the early 70's. I've got a great story on that one that I'll have to tell sometime. Just by coincidence, I knew the daughter of the developer, who was able to tell us about the house's history.
Footsteps on the stairway were a daily event, doors would fly open, odd smells, unexplained fog,radios came on by themselves... Mom swore one day she saw a key float toward her from the bar in the kitchen.I wish I had known more about paranormal research at the time we were living there.

I'm not sure if the earthbound spirit would necessarily remain in the spot they committed suicide. I firmly believe that places soak up the energy of highly emotional events that take place there, so I do think a portion of that person's distress could remain infused in the environment. Interesting question!