Ok, now we all know about aliens or atleast heard about them. To alot of people they are nothing but a hoaxe and to some they are a form of higher intelligence from another planet. And then there are those that believe aliens are God and that aliens created us. First off let me say that for those that don't believe in aliens this won't really affect you much, but it could be interesting to read. But for those who do I'm just going to go over a few pro and cons about this whole "abduction" thing.

=Aliens are God Theory=

Pro: Ok, so some people think aliens created us and that the true "God" is them. people might ask themselves, "Why would they abduct us and conduct experiments on something they created?", "Wouldn't they already know?". It could be that they are checking up on us to make sure we're running ok. Picture your car, wouldnt you want the engine checked every once in while to make sure it was running smooth like you want it?. If aliens are God then it would seem that they are doing it to make sure everythings running smoothly--any malfunctions and they'd fix it.

Con: Ok, so if aliens were just making sure everything was dandy wouldnt they only need to abduct a few people, maybe one person of each race? Why would they need so many each year? Why couldn't they take a few to see if there was any problems, if so, fix them ,if not, then live life as always.

=Aliens are Curious=

Pro: Some say aliens are curious and want to know who we are, they abduct and do experiments because of curiosity. Curious how our mind works, curious what we're made of, how we evolved. Or maybe they are searching for something, maybe they know more about us than we do. It could be that aliens are trying to find something in a human of importance...maybe thats why there are so many abductions.

Con: If they were so smart and curious, why would they need to abduct people and keep conducting experiments over and over again? You would think they would have figured people out by now. Some could say they are just doing it now to show that they exist. But why, aliens will never be able to get the majority of people to believe and until they show themselves in full view of everyone its not going to matter. As I said in my "Pro:" it could be that they're looking for something that we don't know about, or maybe we do we just don't know they are looking for it. But thats not the general beliefe, the general belief (among believers) is that they are doing it for experiments to find out who we are.

Anyways, thats just a little analysis on that. I only did 2 topics there could be more I just did it on those 2 though.

And if anyone wants to add anything I'd be glad to hear it.

[ July 20, 2004, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Amorsang ]

Well I am not one that believes that Aliens created us and they are God. However I do believe that there is other life outside of our little world. I hope that in my life-time this great mystery will be a mystery no more and "they" do reveal themselves, whoever "they" might be.

As for abductions who am I to stay if it is fact or fiction. To me it is like the paranormal there are those that have experienced and those that have not and for those that have not how can they say it does not exist? Just because you have not had your own experience does not make a case that it does not exist. To the question why do they need to keep testing, well if that is in fact what has occured then I would say why do we continue to do experiments on ourselves and animals, plants etc.? Afterall we have been around for thousands of years. It is for the quest of knowledge, discovery and advancement. Perhaps if the life that exists in other realms of this vast universe are of a different chemistry, element and structure then that which makes us and our world, it just may take considerable discovery to obtain a viable resource that could be merged or manipulated into their own? What if there are several other life sources out there that have advanced enough to come here virtualy undetected to test and research?

So many questions can be provided to this very interesting subject that is for sure and all I know is I don't have any of the answers.

[ September 19, 2005, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Cat ]

Yes, we have been doing experiments on animals and plants for thousands of years but there are sooo many different species and so many untapped things. Now, if aliens were doing experiments on all that stuff to then ok. But all we know of is human abductions and its not as if there are millions of human species. And you'd think they would have figured us out by now...But hey, I believe in aliens and I believ in abductions and I'm not going to say for sure whats up I was just giving some different points of view people may have.

There have been animals with odd markings etc. found on them near sites of sightings. I suspect that animals along with samples of vegetation etc. would also be part of the taking.

As for humans heck we haven't even figured ourselves out yet and have a long way to go with understanding the human mind (and how to heal the body) so it's no wonder others can't. We are a bizarre complex breed afterall. We love, we hate, we laugh, we cry, we destroy, we build, we invent amazing things yet can't see or understand the true simplicity of what life is.

Just to comment; I just moved to an area 16 miles south of Snowflake, Arizona which is the setting for one of the better known abduction cases. This is the one that inspired the movie Into The Light.

I read this story and saw the movie, it's certainly one of the more interesting reported abduction cases. That's neat that you live close to Snowflake, Arizona. Have you heard of other reported sightings of UFO's in the area since this happened? There certainly are areas that seem to have repeated sightings so keep your eyes to the skies and camera ready as you just never know. =) There is an area not too far from us (Falcon Beach in Whiteshell Provincial Park) where in 1967 a mechanic and amateur geologist had an encounter while prosepecting. He was not abducted but his accounts of what happened along with burns he sustained created much debate and investigation which has been documented in our local museum (Life Mag also did a report). He was seen by numerous doctors (here and in the US) and many groups/organizations investigated including the RCMP, a few departments of Gov't (here), civilian UFO grps and the University of Colorado. Other reported sightings have come from that area but nothing quite like what happened in 67. As with anything PN there are those who didn't believe his account and accused him of burning himself and making this up, even though medical and site evidence seemed to indicate otherwise.

I don't for a minute believe that we are all there is in this vast universe. Although it's most intriquing to think other beings do come here reports of abductions are a bit unsettling for if it has in fact happened, why as Amorsang first asked, is it being done?

Alien Abductions...hmmm.....


Cons: Anal probes..

Pros: Anal probes....

=) I guess it depends on your likes and dislikes. =) =) Just kidding.

Seriously.

Cat, I don't think you should take peoples beliefs as comical. If you don't believe them at least respect them for being the belief of a fellow human being. I know you didn't mean in a bad way but there are a lot of different beliefs held by humanity. Respect and tolerance are things we need now more than ever.

One reason why aliens could be abducting so many people now as it seems that abductions have increased dramatically in the past 60 years is due to the fact that we are dramatically changing our environment. As our technology advances we are changing our global environment. Even if these 'aliens' didn't go through something similar in their evolution then it still would be worth the study to see how our bodies adapt to these really massive changes we are doing.
Never before has the human body been exposed to so many toxins. So many chemicals not found in nature. Levels of some chemicals not even remotely precedented in history. Mercury levels alone are tens of thousands of percents beyond anything the human body has seen before (with the exception of small populations of hatters and other industries pre 20th century).

Through forensic evidence we can get somewhat of a picture of the human condition before we started massively altering our bodies and environment but nothing like the access a foriegn and advanced species could attain. Hopefully we will get full access to that data someday.

I was 14 years old, when I first saw a u.f.o. cigar shape. no noise what so ever. about 50 ft from the ground. setting quietly, apparently observing me! yellow greenish light could be seen inside what appeared to be 8 square windows. dim figure's human in shape, apparently looking out. zoom.... I was gone in a flash' toward's home. I was sleding on a snow covered hill at night.

Hey Nakis, nope I didn't mean it in a bad way at all and certainly meant no offense. I definitely respect that different beliefs and opinions exist. Thanks for pointing that out to me as looking back at it your right I erred in making the comment so I've gone ahead and removed it. Got caught up with the thought and typed away without thinking.

Pros and cons: anal probe? LMAO - you sure do have a great sense of humor.

Interesting thoughts on the increased abductions. Perhaps the study is to not only see how we adapt but will be used to aid us with survival in the future?

Grim wow that must have been a frightening experience. Fascinating at the same time though. Was anyone else with you at the time and have you experienced anything like that since? I've read markings are often left behind, did you notice anything like that or hear reports of others witnessing the same thing?

I had a good friend who is now deceased, who told me this story, so I guess it is okay to repeat it now. It isn't an abduction story, but more of an encounter.

As a teenager, my friend and his brother rode dirt bikes in an isolated area a little ways from their suburban neighborhood. One evening at dusk, the boys saw something they described as a large cigar shaped object with lights on it, hovering over the ground. They took off out of there as quickly as they could, but being curious kids, they returned the next day.

They saw a substance or residue they likened to glittering cobwebs near the area they had seen the object. They collected some samples and took them home to their father. The father called an acquaintance in the science community (I believe at a local college) and handed the samples over to him for study.

A few days later, some men in dark suits and sunglasses knock at the door at dinner time. (Yep, the classic Men in Black). They ask if the boys have any more of the samples left, which they did. The family reluctantly turned over the samples. The younger brother was not home at the time. Much to his surprise, the next day at school, he is called to the principals office -- the MIB are there asking him if he has any more of the substance. Needless to say, this MIB were very intimidating and scared the bejabbers out of the family. (This would have been in the early 60's.)

I knew both of the gentlemen in this story personally and believe it to be true. Both became successful businessmen, but the experience remained with them and had a pretty profound effect on these fellows. They were always pretty cautious as to who they told this to. I think in some ways, they had a fear the guys in the dark suits might show up again.

As Mulder said, "The truth is out there..."

What an interesting story Carrie, I can surely see why the experience has not only remained with them but had a profound effect. A number of accounts I've read and even pictures I've seen have told of a cigar shape as you and GrimReaper have described. Reported sightings have included the saucer type, spheres, and even triangular but the cigar shape has always been the most intriquing to me. How UFO's navigate, remain stealth and reach what must be incredible speeds is remarkable enough, but to do so in such an unusaul structure is baffling. I wonder if these cigar shaped objects are merely pods of a larger ship or if they are unique to themselves?

It has long been suspected that Governments have been covering up evidence for years now. I imagine your friends are but one of many who have had visits from the MIB's. I understand the many reasons for secrecy but would still love to hear more about what they know. If you believe some of the prophets and psychics we are only a hand full of years away from having many of our questions answered. I hope they are right. =)

Correction, the movie is Fire in the Sky and not Into the Light.

Getting back to the Fire in the Sky story. This was in this weeks edition of the local area paper.

UFO incident makes worldwide headlines in 1975[/URL]

'Some things never go away'[/URL]

Wow, interesting. I dont believe Aliens created us, but, i do believe there are others out there, and i believe they are curios as we are.