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Ok, I had an idea recently, and I'd like opinions!
First, some basic concepts we have to accept.
1. Batteries expire very quickly in the presence of PN activity. Often, the 5 hour battery in my camcorder dies in less the 30 minutes- all PN investigators that I have spoken with, or seen on TV, have experienced this.
2. Entities seem to lack power most of the time. It seems to take a great deal of power to apparate, make sounds, or affect the physical plane in any manner. Very few entities consistently affect our realm- this is why a few hauntings become famous, because these entities apparently are able to affect our plane of existence more often or more dramatically.
Here is where we have to take a leap of faith. Are these two ideas seperate or related? Do batteries drain because spiritual activity shorts them out, or do entities actually draw on the DC power?
Many investigators believe that entities drain the batteries for their own use- we're going to accept this hypothesis, for the sake of argument.
What if we provided the spirit with a source of power? I.E a DC converter, and a verbal invitation to use it? Would this allow the entity to apparate for us, or speak more clearly on an EVP? To the best of my knowledge, this has never been tried...and you would certainly want to be sure it was a friendly spirit, just in case it did work! (no jumpstarting of demons, please!)
So, what do you think? Silly? Any merit whatsoever? Tell me what you think about this weird idea of mine!
I know it sounds funny- you should have heard it when I used car batteries instead of a DC converter in my "sales pitch"...that really sounds silly. Picture some PN investigators dragging a kid's red wagon behind them full of car batteries, with "spirit road rescue" written on the side...but tell me- what DOESN'T sound silly in this business? Isn't that one reason we all seek out places like this- if we discussed this stuff at the average cocktail party, we'd probably end up ina clean white room with rubber walls!
First, some basic concepts we have to accept.
1. Batteries expire very quickly in the presence of PN activity. Often, the 5 hour battery in my camcorder dies in less the 30 minutes- all PN investigators that I have spoken with, or seen on TV, have experienced this.
2. Entities seem to lack power most of the time. It seems to take a great deal of power to apparate, make sounds, or affect the physical plane in any manner. Very few entities consistently affect our realm- this is why a few hauntings become famous, because these entities apparently are able to affect our plane of existence more often or more dramatically.
Here is where we have to take a leap of faith. Are these two ideas seperate or related? Do batteries drain because spiritual activity shorts them out, or do entities actually draw on the DC power?
Many investigators believe that entities drain the batteries for their own use- we're going to accept this hypothesis, for the sake of argument.
What if we provided the spirit with a source of power? I.E a DC converter, and a verbal invitation to use it? Would this allow the entity to apparate for us, or speak more clearly on an EVP? To the best of my knowledge, this has never been tried...and you would certainly want to be sure it was a friendly spirit, just in case it did work! (no jumpstarting of demons, please!)
So, what do you think? Silly? Any merit whatsoever? Tell me what you think about this weird idea of mine!
I know it sounds funny- you should have heard it when I used car batteries instead of a DC converter in my "sales pitch"...that really sounds silly. Picture some PN investigators dragging a kid's red wagon behind them full of car batteries, with "spirit road rescue" written on the side...but tell me- what DOESN'T sound silly in this business? Isn't that one reason we all seek out places like this- if we discussed this stuff at the average cocktail party, we'd probably end up ina clean white room with rubber walls!
One more thought- has anyone ever checked, at the site of a violent or very active haunting, for a source of DC power in the area? Perhaps these hauntings are so active because they are already supplied with a power source of some kind.
Hmmm...am I crazy? This seems to make sense to me. What do you think?
Hmmm...am I crazy? This seems to make sense to me. What do you think?
Interesting thoughts and questions Jamie. I believe they are related and one in the same. It has been said by reputable psychics and mediums that there are several levels on the other side and each holds a different vibration/frequency. It may be that those more active locations (say the site of a violent crime/accident) are so because those spirit are still close to our level/plane. Until they move on to the other side or higher up in the realms as they grow spirituality in spirit it may simply be easier for us to see or experience them. Perhaps a portal is found that will allow some to come through. I think of when you look in a fish bowl things sometimes seem distorted but when you view it on a different angle the objects become more 'normal' looking. Picture an invisible wall between the levels and if spirit is contacting us maybe that invisible barrier (for lack of a better term) interfers with the transmission. Having a power source to draw from may for a moment provide enough energy to give a glimpse (orb/apparition) or a one line evp.
I will have to go see if it's still on the coast to coast site but Art had a guest on that aired (for the first time) an Evp that was an actual conversation carried on between the investigators and the spirit. The spirit was that of a person known to them. It was an amazing interview. They do not know why part way through they lost contact but were able to establish it again and why later on the contact ended abruptly without warning with contact lost.
I'm not sure I would be game to simply give an open invitation for spirit to contact by providing a power source. Say the theroy did work I would be concerned that it would be used by the less than desirable spirit out there. Much like the Quija board it's not something I would want to play with. I know that certain reports of haunting have been attributed to a power source close by but certainly not all have. It may just be that some spirits are more electro-magnetic then others.
Any way you look at it though there is a definite link between power sources and spirits or ghosts.
Cat =)
I will have to go see if it's still on the coast to coast site but Art had a guest on that aired (for the first time) an Evp that was an actual conversation carried on between the investigators and the spirit. The spirit was that of a person known to them. It was an amazing interview. They do not know why part way through they lost contact but were able to establish it again and why later on the contact ended abruptly without warning with contact lost.
I'm not sure I would be game to simply give an open invitation for spirit to contact by providing a power source. Say the theroy did work I would be concerned that it would be used by the less than desirable spirit out there. Much like the Quija board it's not something I would want to play with. I know that certain reports of haunting have been attributed to a power source close by but certainly not all have. It may just be that some spirits are more electro-magnetic then others.
Any way you look at it though there is a definite link between power sources and spirits or ghosts.
Cat =)
Thanks, Cat- very interesting reply. I had hoped to get more replies to this, I'm glad someone finally stepped up!
Regarding the power source- yes, as I mentioned, the thought occurred to me about charging up a bad boy...of course, the thing can always be unplugged, but even so I would only try it in a very friendly environment, and only for a short time. Might be a ridiculous thought, anyway- they may not work that way, or the whole theory may be bunk. I consider it worth the risk, so I'm going to try it- there's a very friendly- and funny- entity at the Co-op building downtown, a woman we call Mabel. I think she'll be my guinea pig.
I would be very interested in hearing that EVP you refer to! I've never heard of anything even similar...please let me know if you can tell me where to find it- even if I have to contact the producer and purchase a copy.
My mind is too befuddled right now, better go. My stress level is in the stratosphere somewhere...and I have to make a 10 hour drive through mountains tomorrow. Time to give sleep a chance, I reckon.
Thanks for listenin',
Regarding the power source- yes, as I mentioned, the thought occurred to me about charging up a bad boy...of course, the thing can always be unplugged, but even so I would only try it in a very friendly environment, and only for a short time. Might be a ridiculous thought, anyway- they may not work that way, or the whole theory may be bunk. I consider it worth the risk, so I'm going to try it- there's a very friendly- and funny- entity at the Co-op building downtown, a woman we call Mabel. I think she'll be my guinea pig.
I would be very interested in hearing that EVP you refer to! I've never heard of anything even similar...please let me know if you can tell me where to find it- even if I have to contact the producer and purchase a copy.
My mind is too befuddled right now, better go. My stress level is in the stratosphere somewhere...and I have to make a 10 hour drive through mountains tomorrow. Time to give sleep a chance, I reckon.
Thanks for listenin',
Hi Jamie, I do hope you were able to sleep before making your trip.
Well you are braver than I as should this assist you with reaching Mabel it's equally as likely that Mabel may not be alone.
You know maybe this has nothing to do with what spirit can and cannot do but rather what we are able to perceive. Animals, babies, very young children and those gifted are able to see and hear spirit on a regular basis. Most have closed their third eye and that doorway to the next realm. It may just be that the power source that is used by spirit is only doen so in order to give those without the ability to see a glimpse. There may be something within the electrical current that allows the two different frequencies to briefly merge?
Jamie I often tape the Coast to Coast show to listen later so I just may have part or all of that interview still on tape. I haven't had a chance to check out the website to see if there is a link there still but if not I'm sure there will be info on the tape to how you can hear it. I will look into that for you.
Cat =)
Well you are braver than I as should this assist you with reaching Mabel it's equally as likely that Mabel may not be alone.
You know maybe this has nothing to do with what spirit can and cannot do but rather what we are able to perceive. Animals, babies, very young children and those gifted are able to see and hear spirit on a regular basis. Most have closed their third eye and that doorway to the next realm. It may just be that the power source that is used by spirit is only doen so in order to give those without the ability to see a glimpse. There may be something within the electrical current that allows the two different frequencies to briefly merge?
Jamie I often tape the Coast to Coast show to listen later so I just may have part or all of that interview still on tape. I haven't had a chance to check out the website to see if there is a link there still but if not I'm sure there will be info on the tape to how you can hear it. I will look into that for you.
Cat =)
Hiya Wild:
I've read a lot of things and done a lot of investigating myself, and I know that spirits do draw energy from things like batteries, powerlines, even the static electricty in the atmosphere. It makes sense that they could draw even more from a power source meant just for them. I've never seen it done, and I know that usually during paranormal investigations, generators and electrical sources are normally shutdown, so that they don't interfere with other equipment or give false positive readings. I suppose an experiment could be done, as long as you're not using other equipment that the generator would cause interference with. Very interesting idea. I don't know if the TAPS people or anyone else have actually tried that or not. I would be willing to try it. I personally think that demonic forces can pretty much do what they please, with or without manmade power. They have a force and a power all their own.
Also, Benjamin Franklin's spirit, is the one which is most often seen in Philadelphia, as a full apparition. He has been sighted in the library there by numerous people, and seen walking down to the Delaware River, and there are many other sightings of him around town that go back for over 100 years. Remember, he gave us the idea of using electricity for power when he tied a key to a kite string and went out in a thunderstorm? Just had that thought...if anyone could harness power from the environment to be able to manifest himself, I think Ben would be the one to do it.
On the funny side: This got me thinking, of Frankenstein...remember, they harnessed power to create Frankenstein from corpses using lightening. Hmmmmmmm...
I've read a lot of things and done a lot of investigating myself, and I know that spirits do draw energy from things like batteries, powerlines, even the static electricty in the atmosphere. It makes sense that they could draw even more from a power source meant just for them. I've never seen it done, and I know that usually during paranormal investigations, generators and electrical sources are normally shutdown, so that they don't interfere with other equipment or give false positive readings. I suppose an experiment could be done, as long as you're not using other equipment that the generator would cause interference with. Very interesting idea. I don't know if the TAPS people or anyone else have actually tried that or not. I would be willing to try it. I personally think that demonic forces can pretty much do what they please, with or without manmade power. They have a force and a power all their own.
Also, Benjamin Franklin's spirit, is the one which is most often seen in Philadelphia, as a full apparition. He has been sighted in the library there by numerous people, and seen walking down to the Delaware River, and there are many other sightings of him around town that go back for over 100 years. Remember, he gave us the idea of using electricity for power when he tied a key to a kite string and went out in a thunderstorm? Just had that thought...if anyone could harness power from the environment to be able to manifest himself, I think Ben would be the one to do it.
On the funny side: This got me thinking, of Frankenstein...remember, they harnessed power to create Frankenstein from corpses using lightening. Hmmmmmmm...
Hi Jamie,
Just had a chance to go see what I could find on the show I mentioned and the EVP that was a two-way conversation which was aired. This show was with Brendan Cook of G.I.S and Art Bell - Brendan obtained a copy of the tape. There is a link to the site of the Mestascience Foundation which is the group that produced the tape. I went to have a look and it is a very interesting read, I think you will like it Jamie. Could not find a link to the recording itself but then I did not read all the chapters. Chapter 13 is on the Very Real Dangers and discusses some of the "uncouth characters and pranksters" they have reached (unwillingly or wanting) while trying to make contact. Interesting. This is quite the piece of equipment they have developed over many many years of research.
This is the link to Spiricom that was supplied. http://www.worlditc.org/h_07_spiri_000_007.htm[/URL]
Will continue to see if there is somewhere that the tape itself can be heard. Will try and find my tape of the show as well.
Cat:)
Just had a chance to go see what I could find on the show I mentioned and the EVP that was a two-way conversation which was aired. This show was with Brendan Cook of G.I.S and Art Bell - Brendan obtained a copy of the tape. There is a link to the site of the Mestascience Foundation which is the group that produced the tape. I went to have a look and it is a very interesting read, I think you will like it Jamie. Could not find a link to the recording itself but then I did not read all the chapters. Chapter 13 is on the Very Real Dangers and discusses some of the "uncouth characters and pranksters" they have reached (unwillingly or wanting) while trying to make contact. Interesting. This is quite the piece of equipment they have developed over many many years of research.
This is the link to Spiricom that was supplied. http://www.worlditc.org/h_07_spiri_000_007.htm[/URL]
Will continue to see if there is somewhere that the tape itself can be heard. Will try and find my tape of the show as well.
Cat:)
i havent given to much thought to the engery sources yet, but it does make sense. i am a home health care nurse, and my cell phone will go dead within 1/2 hr in one home that i work. its a trailor, dont know if thats got something to do with it or not. the mother is into pyc readings, charms, sage, etc. so she might be drawing an enity to her, who knows.
Thanks everyone! I really want feedback on this, so keep it coming. I email Jason at TAPS now and then, I actually "spoke" with him about the idea..he was going to talk to Grant about it,but he hasn't gotten back to me yet.
[ November 28, 2004, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: Cat ]
[ November 28, 2004, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: Cat ]
Hi Jamie,
I do look forward to further discussion on your Idea and to hearing what feedback the fellows at TAPS provide to you when the time is right for you to post again about this.
Take care, Cat =)
[ November 28, 2004, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: Cat ]
I do look forward to further discussion on your Idea and to hearing what feedback the fellows at TAPS provide to you when the time is right for you to post again about this.
Take care, Cat =)
[ November 28, 2004, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: Cat ]